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This will be the last chance for me, hoping this is not only hardware related... While you say the Base seems to work for many users, I noticed that, like the Quneo from another manufacturer, the videos don't underline the playability of the pads, and in those demos, people don't do subtle stuff with the pads but rather hard hitting them to be sure it's going to work. If some user can testify in that sense, I would appreciate it.> Moon said:
> Hi madlab,
@amounra : any news ? The Base is still unusable for me, and I think it's the same for users hoping to do fingerdrumming with it. May I remind you that I got a kind standard exchange of my first unit by SCV and that the second one suffers from the same flaws. I feel ashamed thinking I should sell this brand new unit being defective. I feel like an asshole having spent more that 350€ for such useless plastic junk.
@amounra Happy new year! Thank you very much for the detailed news and your work on the script. The API changes must be annoying but it is partly a problem because of us users that were asking for a lot of features before they would be "able" to buy their product. Now we have a lot of features but also a lot of bugs to be fixed.
I'd like to suggest that further posts about the API / script issues be placed in a new thread so that this one can focus on the FSR sensitivity issues it was originally opened about.
Guys, It's the author of the thread here.
@PolloRapido : I mentioned this trick in another thread to Livid because I suspected this kind of design flaw, as found on the akai mpd a few years ago.About the beer, I would say that Livid owes a beer to all Base users. These are expensive controllers and several of us tried to get Livid to acknowledge there is a hardware problem. So sad they didn't do it...@amounra or anyone else at Livid ? Any comment ? Any solution ?
I only work on the software end of things. The issues referred to by the OP are firmware or hardware related....that's why I haven't commented on them. I'm not trying to be evasive, I just don't know a solution for you. I'd say that if there is a solution out there that will solve the problem easily (@PolloRapido), sounds like a good place to start.
@amounra Thanks for replying. I mentioned your name just because you commented on previous topics. I just regret that someone in charge of the hardware part doesn't find time to adress those concerns. Also I find it weird to have to open a brand new high end controller to correct a design default and am concerned by the fact that the warranty will be dead because of me opening and modifying a product that was bought new, exchanged by the seller, and not used for nearly one year now because it's defective. As I wrote, I mentioned Pollo's trick in a thread mid 2015, as found on an akai forum many years ago, but noone seemed to care at Livid, just pointing me to software (non) solutions.
Seriously guys? I am currently selling my Akai MPK25 because of the same issue and replaced it by the BaseII…
@PolloRaipdo btw what exactly is nylon wrap? The stuff you use to cover food for the fridge? That was another issue with the tips from the Akai forum. They would use materials you do not get easily elsewhere than the US. so one would have to guess from some pictures what type of material it could be and what to use instead…
@quasimono : "With an instrument as expensive as the Livid Base, I think it would be
Livids turn to send the users a kit that allows for an easy fix.
Especially since their quality control only managed to fill out the
paper that comes with each sold unit, but failed to detect that problem.
You really have to hammer on the pads to trigger them. That is
something you can spot very easily!"As you could guess from my previous posts, I completly agree with this statement.@amounra (nothing personal - just that somenone from Livid taking care of HW should answer :))Can somenone from Livid react to that statement ?
Really happy to hear that. This kind of feedback is really important to us users to feel not being left alone. Hope that you can find a solution soon and that it will be possible to implement a fix on our hardware as well. Enjoy the weekend!
@quasimono I used exactly the food type plastic wrap aka cling film (I used that because it's clear and slightly viscous)
@PolloRapido Does aftertouch still work on all the pads? How fiddly is the whole process? I mean you have to cut 32 square shaped pieces twice to have two layers of the foil and then you have to secure them somehow so they dont slide aside while you reassemble the whole thing again. I imagine this could be quite annoying to do…
@quasimono I'm assuming he laid a single piece out across the whole pad bank. I recall doing something similar to a PadKontrol years ago (though that started out much more responsive in the first place).I would think that a sheet of mylar could work as well as it is metalized and therefore conductive (I think?)
@quasimono It's super easy, I just laid the pieces (I used two)on the fsr resistor sheet, and punched few holes for the screws, it won't moves at all when you reassemble it. The aftertouch works fine. The whole process takes about 10 minutes. NOTE: don't you ever over tighten the screws or you're gonna have a bad time.
@PolloRapido thanks! I gonna try it like this soon and will load up the pictures of that process for everyone to see. If I understood you correctly you just cover the complete set of 32 FSR resistors at once with two layers of foil. Nice :-)
Cling film is thick enough ?@moon you wrote "So, they are working on this now, by building
a few units to test and perfect this enhancement, and presuming it's
successful, we will quickly work out how to provide it. I should have
more news on Monday after their tests have completed."It's thursday now. Any news ? cling film seems a bit cheap and fragile to me...
@madlab It's been two weeks since I applied the film, and I used the base approx 1hr per day (I even got 4 gigs this weeks). It's still working, and I think it will for a lot, zero doubts about it. IMHO Maybe it's about the quality of the film that you have, and about the thickness, the gap between the rubber pads and the fsr sheet is very very short, keep in mind that on the box of the film that I use it says that it has a thickness of 23 µm (Yea yea, metric system... I'm in italy btw).
Hmmmm OK, i tried that mod and it did not work for me. Right now the pads don't trigger at all. The are still illuminated though. Here are all the steps I did and a stencil to cut out the sheet to put in between pads and FRS sensors @PolloRapido Maybe you can have a lock to see if I did something wrong?
Sorry the link seems to be broken here another one
The video had no sound and is therefore useless. Here is one with audio working
Thanks for the uploads, quasimono. It's great if it's improved things for you. Personally I'm a bit perplexed cause mine plays pretty much like that now, without mods; yet I'd still like it more sensitive... Anyway a quick question for you: On the video at 00:09, pad 3 plays a flam/double-hit. Can you recall if you hit the pad twice, or is that an unintended retrig? It also sounds like a very fast double-hit on the next snare (pad 2) too, around the 00:10 mark. I'm curious if the greater sensitivity does anything to improve (or worsen) such stutters - as I do encounter lots of momentary note off which cause unintended retrigs (often more glaring when softly sustaining key sounds).
Hello lowshelf I am using Battery4 and am using some modifiers like release stroke (first hit on push second on release). So actually it is not stutters but me lifting the finger a bit too quickly. I am using a setup with two hi hats, the off-beat one a bit less loud. Four snares, one of them for ghost notes, one normal, one release stroke and one buzz. I also have some open hats, double kick etc. I made another video where i also use the sends, some makro and clips triggering and recording. Its not perfect, but I did not touch my BaseII for almost a year now. I am pretty happy that its working as a proper controller now…
@quasimono With one wrap it's ok, but I used two layers of it, and it's just perfect. (I'm having problems downloading the .zip, later at home I will retry)